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    I believe this language and double confirmation comes from years ago
    when tools like remote key attestation were not available.<br>
    <br>
    If we are to allow an Applicant to generate keys remotely (i.e.
    without the presence of a CA representative and without hardware
    that supports remote key attestation), which seems to be the case
    with the CSCWG today, we need to rely on policy to accomplish that.
    It is reasonable to hold both sides, the Applicant and the CA,
    accountable to this policy. See below.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/3/2022 11:43 π.μ., Adriano Santoni
      via Cscwg-public wrote:<br>
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      <p><font face="Calibri">As far as I'm concerned, I find confusing
          and overly complex the double requirement:<br>
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      <p><font face="Calibri">1) customer must make a "representation"
          that they will use a hardware crypto module (or signing
          service), and ...<br>
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    This is required because a customer could potentially "fake" the
    hardware device id and create a virtual driver that emulates the
    actual hardware device. The Applicant must be held accountable if
    they try to manipulate the process or make any changes to the
    process and tools provided by the CA.<br>
    <br>
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cite="mid:0100017f6e0f8fa0-80aa5838-6317-4b87-8a82-536b5aa6651b-000000@email.amazonses.com">
      <p><font face="Calibri"> </font></p>
      <p><font face="Calibri">2) the CA must ensure that the customer
          will really use a hardware crypto module (or signing service).
          <br>
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    <br>
    The CA must establish a process and develop the proper tools to
    provide reasonable assurance that the Applicant remotely generates
    keys in a hardware crypto module which is usually within a limited
    set of devices approved by the CA. The CA is not allowed to say
    "please send me a CSR and pinky swear that it was generated in a
    crypto device". They must develop tools and middleware and establish
    a process to make sure the key is generated in approved
    crypto-devices only.<br>
    <br>
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      <p><font face="Calibri"> </font></p>
      <p><font face="Calibri">If the CA will be obliged to meet req #2,
          then I do not see what use is req #1.<br>
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    Hope this explanation helps.<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
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      <p>Adriano</p>
      <p>-- Actalis</p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 09/03/2022 10:21, Inigo Barreira
        via Cscwg-public ha scritto:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Yes, please. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">It looks like this representation means
              something like “click here if you are over 18” or “click
              here if you agree” because these are also facts not
              opinions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">IMO the message here is that CAs will rely in
              whatever the subscriber says, e.g.,  “yes, I´m a good guy
              and promise that I will keep my keys in a hardware device
              …” rather on making the corresponding tasks to ensure. Is
              this the right approach? This is what I understand from
              Dean´s response because CAs are not attesting anything
              just relying in a form signed by the subscriber in where
              it may say whatever.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>De:</b> Tim Hollebeek <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>
                <br>
                <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 8 de marzo de 2022 20:35<br>
                <b>Para:</b> Dean Coclin <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><dean.coclin@digicert.com></a>;
                Inigo Barreira <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
                  moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                Bruce Morton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><bruce.morton@entrust.com></a>;
                Doug Beattie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><doug.beattie@globalsign.com></a>;
                Ian McMillan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><ianmcm@microsoft.com></a><br>
                <b>Asunto:</b> RE: Update to Subscriber Private Key
                Protection Requirements (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“representation” is
              being used here in the legal sense: “</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#404040;background:white"
              lang="EN-US">a <span class="hvr">statement</span> of <span
                class="hvr">fact.</span> A <span class="hvr">representation</span> <span
                class="hvr">should</span> be <span class="hvr">distinguished</span> <span
                class="hvr">from</span> a <span class="hvr">statement</span> of <span
                class="hvr">opinion</span> <span class="hvr">for</span> <span
                class="hvr">many</span> <span class="hvr">legal</span> <span
                class="hvr">purposes,</span> <span class="hvr">especially</span> in <span
                class="hvr">relation</span> to <span class="hvr">contractual</span> <span
                class="hvr">obligations.</span></span><span lang="EN-US">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We should perhaps be
              using plain English instead of legalese.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Dean Coclin <<a
                      href="mailto:dean.coclin@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dean.coclin@digicert.com</a>>
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 8, 2022 1:00 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <<a
                      href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>;
                    <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                    Bruce Morton <<a
                      href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>;
                    Doug Beattie <<a
                      href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                    Ian McMillan <<a
                      href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
                    Tim Hollebeek <<a
                      href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> RE: Update to Subscriber Private Key
                    Protection Requirements (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                lang="EN-US">This means exactly what it says, some
                representation that the subscriber makes to honor the
                condition. This traditionally has been something in
                writing that the subscriber signs and submits to the CA.
                CAs can provide a form to the subscriber which they
                attest to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Cscwg-public <<a
                      href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Cscwg-public<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 8, 2022 11:03 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <<a
                      href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>;
                    <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                    Doug Beattie <<a
                      href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                    Ian McMillan <<a
                      href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
                    Tim Hollebeek <<a
                      href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Update to
                    Subscriber Private Key Protection Requirements
                    (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Reviewing the
                section 16.3.1 I have a “wording” question. What does it
                mean that “The CA MUST obtain a representation from the
                Subscriber that the Subscriber will use one of the
                following options …”. So, what is a “representation from
                the subscriber”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>De:</b> Cscwg-public <<a
                    href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                  <b>En nombre de </b>Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public<br>
                  <b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 3 de marzo de 2022 15:08<br>
                  <b>Para:</b> Doug Beattie <<a
                    href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                  Ian McMillan <<a href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
                  Tim Hollebeek <<a
                    href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                  <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                  <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Update to Subscriber
                  Private Key Protection Requirements (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">CAUTION:
                  This email originated from outside of the
                  organization. Do not click links or open attachments
                  unless you recognize the sender and know the content
                  is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regarding the 16.2
                  section, this statement was also struck-out, “After
                  2021-06-01, the same protection requirements SHALL
                  apply to Non EV Code Signing Certificates.” So I
                  believe that the requirement already applied to normal
                  code signing certificates. The edits are just a
                  cleanup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Doug Beattie <<a
                        href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 3, 2022 6:56 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Ian McMillan <<a
                        href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
                      Tim Hollebeek <<a
                        href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                      Bruce Morton <<a
                        href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] RE: Update to
                      Subscriber Private Key Protection Requirements
                      (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">WARNING: This
                  email originated outside of Entrust.<br>
                  DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the
                  sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Good work on
                  section 16.3, that is much more clear now.  I have 2
                  more comments for your consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Comment #1:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In Section 11.7 we
                  say:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                  lang="EN-US">If the CA is aware that the Applicant was
                  the victim of a Takeover Attack, the CA MUST verify
                  that the Applicant is protecting its Code Signing
                  Private Keys under Section 16.3.1(1) or Section
                  16.3.1(2). The CA MUST verify the Applicant’s
                  compliance with Section 16.3.1(1) or Section 16.3.1(2)
                  (i) through technical means that confirm the Private
                  Keys are protected using the method described in
                  16.3.1(1) or 16.3.1(2) or (ii) by relying on a report
                  provided by the Applicant that is signed by an auditor
                  who is approved by the CA and who has IT and security
                  training or is a CISA.</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But now there are
                  actually 2 lists in sections 16.3.1(1) or Section
                  16.3.1(2) with those list numbers.  Do we need to be
                  more specific, or renumber the second list a-c?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">After 15 November,
                  what is the right remediation for Take Over attack, do
                  we need to reference one or more of the items in the
                  new list (the list we might renumber a-c), or is there
                  no remediation now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There are multiple
                  references to 16.3.1(1) so we’d want to apply the same
                  logic to all instances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Comment #2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section 16.2
                  removed the reference to EV in the scope so this
                  applies to normal Code signing certificates.  Since
                  this does not have a date associated with it, do we
                  assume that this requirement change for normal code
                  signing certs is effective immediately?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Ian McMillan <<a
                        href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:56 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                        href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                      Doug Beattie <<a
                        href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                      Bruce Morton <<a
                        href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> RE: Update to Subscriber Private
                      Key Protection Requirements (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you, Tim, I
                  really like the structure suggestions here. I’ve made
                  those updates per your suggestion in the attached copy
                  of the redline document. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ll note your
                  endorsement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                        href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 4:57 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Ian McMillan <<a
                        href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                      Doug Beattie <<a
                        href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                      Bruce Morton <<a
                        href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] RE: Update to
                      Subscriber Private Key Protection Requirements
                      (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would recommend
                  against using parentheticals to express the
                  deprecation dates, as it makes the sentences more
                  complicated than they need to be.  I’d just modify the
                  first sentence of each part so the structure is as
                  follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">   For Non-EV Code
                  Signing Certificates issued prior to November 15,
                  2022, …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">   For EV Code
                  Signing Certificates issued prior to November 15,
                  2022, …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">   Effective
                  November 15, 2022, …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But otherwise, the
                  updates look good and we are willing to endorse
                  CSC-13.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Ian McMillan <<a
                          href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 11:31 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                        Doug Beattie <<a
                          href="mailto:doug.beattie@globalsign.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug.beattie@globalsign.com</a>>;
                        Bruce Morton <<a
                          href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>;
                        Tim Hollebeek <<a
                          href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Update to Subscriber Private Key
                        Protection Requirements (CSC-6 to CSC-13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Attached you
                    will find an updated redline doc of v2.7 of the
                    CSBRs with the updates to the subscriber private key
                    protection requirements as outlined previously in
                    CSC-6. This updated version also includes edits to
                    address issues Doug Beattie raised during the voting
                    period of CSC-6, so I am looking for confirmation
                    from Doug on these edits addressing the concerns he
                    raised. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Additionally,
                    I’m looking to get endorsements on this ballot under
                    <a
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title="cscwg:csc_13_-_update_to_subscriber_private_key_protection_requirements"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">CSC 13 - Update to
                      Subscriber Private Key Protection Requirements</a>,
                    and hope that Bruce and Tim, as previous endorsers
                    can review the edits and endorse the new ballot.
                    Once we have endorsers I’ll proceed with the formal
                    ballot process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ian <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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