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    Bruce,<br>
    <br>
    This is the second time my mail is blocking an email so I missed it
    :( Next time I will check the archive to be sure!<br>
    <br>
    No worries, the voting for CSC-11 is just fine.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/9/2021 6:59 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Hi
            Dimitris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Ian
            sent out the attached email for voting to begin an attached
            the redline within the email. I thought that this email was
            sufficient to start the voting period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Dimitris
                Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:56 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Bruce Morton
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"><Bruce.Morton@entrust.com></a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Voting
                Begins: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data retention<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 28/9/2021 6:53 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">I
              am asking if CSC-11 can move forward as is OR do we have
              to take an action to allow CSC-11 to get passed.
            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
            IMO <b>Ian must start the voting period</b> by sending the
            same e-mail (including the redline) and then r<b>eset the 7
              days voting period</b>. We should be fine because we
            haven't passed the 21 days from last post of a draft.
            Members that already voted will have to re-vote.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Dimitris.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Dimitris
                  Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                  <a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:51 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <a
                    href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><Bruce.Morton@entrust.com></a>;
                  <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Voting
                  Begins: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data retention</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 28/9/2021 6:46 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Hi Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Do we have any action
                for ballot CSC-11?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
              I'm not sure what you mean.<br>
              <br>
              Are you asking what steps we should perform for CSC-11?<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Dimitris.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Bruce.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span
                    style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Cscwg-public
                    <a href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                    via Cscwg-public<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:43 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public <a
                      href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">
                      <cscwg-public@cabforum.org></a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Voting
                    Begins: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data retention</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Bruce,<br>
              <br>
              According to the Bylaws section 2.3 (3), it is possible
              for the discussion period to be more than 7 days so the
              <b>proposer</b> of the ballot must explicitly start the
              voting period which is for exactly 7 days. I don't think
              Ian started the voting period.
              <br>
              <br>
              <i>"Once no new version of the ballot has been posted for
                seven (7) calendar days,
                <b>the proposer may end the discussion period and start
                  the voting period</b> by <b>
                  reposting the final version of the ballot</b> and
                clearly i<b>ndicating that voting is to begin</b>, along
                with the start and end dates and times (including time
                zone) for the voting period"</i><br>
              <br>
              Also, Ian's original email had a link to the wiki, which
              is not publicly available (thus not acceptable according
              to the Bylaws), but the redline that was attached met the
              requirements. This redline needs to be re-sent when Ian
              starts the voting period.<br>
              <br>
              I am highlighting this for future ballots so that if there
              is only a pointer to a redline hosted at an external site,
              the link must be pointing to a public and immutable
              redline.<br>
              <br>
              Sorry for reporting this but it's best to do this right
              than having challenges in the future.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              Dimitris.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 27/9/2021 3:11 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
                via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Entrust votes Yes
                  to ballot CSC-11.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Bruce.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span
                      style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Cscwg-public
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian McMillan via Cscwg-public<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 24, 2021 7:01 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [Cscwg-public] Voting
                      Begins: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
                      retention</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">WARNING:
                  This email originated outside of Entrust.<br>
                  DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the
                  sender and know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    moz-do-not-send="true">Ballot CSC-11: Update to log
                    data retention requirements</a></b><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Purpose of this ballot: <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Update the log data and retention of
                log data requirements in the Baseline Requirement for
                the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Code
                Signing Certificates v2.5. The following motion has been
                proposed by Ian McMillan of Microsoft, and endorsed by
                Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) and Bruce Morton
                (Entrust).<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">— MOTION BEGINS — <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">This ballot updates the “Baseline
                Requirements for the Issuance and Management of
                Publicly‐Trusted Code Signing Certificates“ version 2.5
                according to the attached redline which includes:<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15 “Data Records” removing references to
                  [SSL/TLS] Baseline Requirements for this section in
                  totality<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15 “Data Records” to include sub-section 15.1
                  “Types of Events Recorded” and describing the
                  requirements for CAs and Third Party Delegates while
                  removing “Signing Services”<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15 “Data Records” to include sub-section 15.2
                  “Timestamp Authority Data Records”<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15.1 to clarify 4(f) for security event
                  logging on Timestamp Authority servers<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15.1 on 4(d) for security event logging to no
                  longer include “hardware failures”<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15 “Data Records” to include sub-section 15.3
                  “Data Retention Period for Audit Logs”<o:p></o:p></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Update
                  section 15.2 to no longer reference Baseline
                  Requirements section 5.4.3 and defined a specific
                  retention period for CA, subscriber certificate,
                  Timestamp Authority, and security event data records
                  for at least 2 years<o:p></o:p></li>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">— MOTION ENDS —<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">The procedure for approval of this
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Vote for approval (7 days) <o:p></o:p></p>
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                Time (US) <o:p></o:p></p>
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