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I also confirm the endorsement of the ballot with the latest
changes.<br>
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Thanks Bruce and Ian.<br>
<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/9/2021 5:11 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
changes look good to me. I confirm the endorsement of the
ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,
Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ian
McMillan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"><ianmcm@microsoft.com></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 17, 2021 9:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Morton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"><Bruce.Morton@entrust.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos
(HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>; Sebastian Schulz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com"><sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank
you, Bruce for the edits and the offer to endorse.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
the 15.1 item 1 question, there are only 2 requirements
since I pulled this part of the requirements from the BR
version the CSBRs is currently referencing (1.6.9), but I
did see that latest has the additional requirements stemming
from the SC28 ballot which was focused on the records and
log retention reduction. I am happy to add those
requirements as they provide more granular details on the CA
certificate and key events. I’ve edited the redline document
now and have attached it here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
Dimitris and Bruce confirm their endorsements after this
addition to 15.1(1), I’ll go ahead and start the ballot
process.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Bruce Morton <<a
href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ian McMillan <<a
href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ianmcm@microsoft.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
moz-do-not-send="true">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
Sebastian Schulz <<a
href="mailto:sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Under
15.1 item 1, why do we only have 2 requirements but the SSL
BRs have 6 requirements? Did we have a reason for reducing
the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
have attached a markup where I have made some edits to some
section numbers and a few other minor changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will endorse the ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,
Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Cscwg-public <csc</span><a
href="mailto:wg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">wg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian McMillan via Cscwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <</span><a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
Sebastian Schulz <</span><a
href="mailto:sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’ve
incorporated all the feedback and based the attached redline
off the most recently published version of the CSBRs v2.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
Dimitris is still willing to endorse this ballot, I only
need one more endorser. Can I please get another endorser
for this ballot?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<br>
Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <</span><a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 9, 2021 6:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ian McMillan <</span><a
href="mailto:ianmcm@microsoft.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ianmcm@microsoft.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
Sebastian Schulz <</span><a
href="mailto:sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/9/2021 11:01 <span lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>.<span
lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>., Ian McMillan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
Seb and Dimitris!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
am totally with Dimitris on this topic and I like the
addition “note” Dimitris and Clint are putting into the
BRs (so much so I am incorporating it). Please see that
attached revise of the redline doc. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Hi Ian,<br>
<br>
Procedure-wise, the red-line and the "Draft Guideline" that
is put for a ballot, must be based on the at-the-time
effective Final Guideline, which is currently 2.3. The
Revisions table should also not be part of the ballot
because we are running ballots in parallel and might stumble
on minor deviations with effective dates, unless we have
reasons to update tables with version numbers. This is
explicitly called out in the
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bylaws
</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">section
2.4 (8).
<br>
<br>
For example, CSC-9 has ended the IPR review period but the
Chair/Vice-Chair must announce the end of the IPR Review
Period, making sure that no Exclusion Notices have been
filed, and publish the final guideline based on that ballot.
The effective date would be the day the final guideline is
published (not 2021-09-08). The same applies to CSC-10. For
those reasons, and considering the fact that the IPR Review
for CSC-10 ends very soon (2021-09-12), I would suggest that
you wait a couple of days and base your redline on the Final
Guideline that will be published by Bruce based on CSC-10 to
start the discussion period.<br>
<br>
Regarding your comment on 15.1 about Signing Services, I
agree that it seems out of place and would propose to remote
it so that the text reads "CAs and each Delegated Third
Party SHALL..."<br>
<br>
Similarly for the "Note" in section 15.3, I suggest
replacing "Signing Service" with "Delegated Third Parties".<br>
<br>
Happy to endorse with the changes above, if there are no
objections by other Members.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ian
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Cscwg-public
</span><a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
via Cscwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 2, 2021 6:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sebastian Schulz </span><a
href="mailto:sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><sebastian.schulz@globalsign.com></span></a><span
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
Sebastian,<br>
<br>
I'd like to share with the CSCWG a proposal I wrote after
some collaboration with Clint Wilson from Apple. You may
find the proposed changes to the BRs in
<a
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https://github.com/dzacharo/servercert/pull/2/files</a>.<br>
<br>
The fact that the retention period has a lower limit,
nothing prevents a CA from keeping logs/archives for longer
periods in order to investigate past security incidents.
This is highlighted in a NOTE in the proposal above.
Similarly the NetSec SCWG subcommittee is working on a draft
in <a
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SCyrt8la1slPJhvnWUW6ROlqIV3yaDwb3LKZ5qjdiH4</a>.<br>
<br>
For the CA Certificates' retention period, which is proposed
to be 2 years after the expiration/revocation/key deletion
of the CA, IMHO the same principle applies. The CA must
determine if it needs to keep logs for more time in order to
perform proper retrospection related to a security incident
AFTER a CA has been decommissioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/9/2021 1:35 <span lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>.<span
lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>., Sebastian Schulz via
Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hey
All, Hey Ian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What
seems a little odd to me is that the requirements for
the duration of log retention are the same for CA
certificates as for subscriber certificates, given their
wildly different original validity periods. I know the
TLS BR handle it like that as well but come to think of
it….isn’t the purpose of log retention to be able to
identify possible errors in operation of a CA from the
aftermath? Since CA certificate lifecycle operations are
carried out at much lower frequency than those for
subscriber certificates, I would have assumed that more
logged time is needed to identify possible systemic
errors (in contrast, 2 years retention for subscriber
certificates with max 3 year validity almost seems long)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Just
a thought that came to mind, maybe I just missed
discussion around it. Or another discussion needs to be
had, but not for this ballot then. When it comes to
adding TS requirements and detaching it from TLS BR -
looks good to me </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#666666">Sebastian
Schulz</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#666666;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Product
Manager Client Certificates</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian McMillan via Cscwg-public<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please
review the attached updated redline with the removal of
all references to the SSL/TLS BRs for section 15 on data
records.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’d
like to note that Signing Services are included in the
data records requirements but seem really out of place
as they are responsible for subscriber key generation
and protection as it is described in section 16.2, and
not the management or creation of CA certificates. I
could easily see us removing Sign Services from this
section or authoring a new set of requirements for
signing services as part of the refinement of the CSBRs
for signing services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ian
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re:
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">Hi Bruce and Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">I like this idea and I<span
lang="ZH-CN">’</span>ll work on this update to
share with the group before next week<span
lang="ZH-CN">’</span>s meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black">Ian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Cscwg-public]
DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log data
retention requirements</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26/8/2021 9:00 <span
lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>.<span lang="ZH-CN">μ</span>.,
Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hi Ian,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">I am wondering if we could
change the text, so we do not reference the SSL BRs.
I’m saying this because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">CSBRs
refer to SSL BR version 1.6.9, which was updated
per SC27<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">CSBR
section 15.2 would be easier to read<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">CSBR
section 15.2 would be independent of the SSL BRs,
which goes in the direction of our goal<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I agree with Bruce. We should try to incorporate text
from the TLS BRs that makes sense for the CS BRs as much
as we can and avoid references that have the risk of
becoming broken or amended by the SCWG.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p>
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DISCUSS/ENDORSE: Ballot CSC-11: Update to log
data retention requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hi Folks, <br>
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I am looking for feedback and at least two
endorsements on this new ballot I am proposing.
Please share your feedback and if you are willing to
endorse this ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true">Ballot CSC-11: Update to
log data retention requirements</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Purpose
of this ballot:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Update
the log data and retention of log data requirements
in the Baseline Requirement for the Issuance and
Management of Publicly-Trusted Code Signing
Certificates v2.5.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The
following motion has been proposed by Ian McMillan
of Microsoft, and I am looking for endorsements from
two other members of the CSCWG.
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">—
MOTION BEGINS —<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">This
ballot updates the “Baseline Requirements for the
Issuance and Management of Publicly‐Trusted Code
Signing Certificates“ version 2.5 according to the
attached redline which including<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in">Update
section 15 “Data Records” to include sub-section
15.1 “Timestamp Authority Data Records”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in">Update
section 15.1 to clarify 4(f) for security event
logging on Timestamp Authority servers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in">Update
section 15.1 on 4(d) for security event logging to
no longer include “hardware failures”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in">Update
section 15 “Data Records” to include sub-section
15.2 “Data Retention Period for Audit Logs”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in">Update
section 15.2 to no longer reference Baseline
Requirements section 5.4.3 and defined a specific
retention period for CA, subscriber certificate,
Timestamp Authority, and security event data records
for at least 2 years<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">—
MOTION ENDS —<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">Ian<o:p></o:p></p>
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