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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/7/2021 7:24 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek
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        <p class="MsoNormal">The intent isn’t to forbid it.  Young
          companies just have additional validation requirements, which
          have been there for quite a long time.  And you shouldn’t be
          able to get around those additional requirements simply by
          getting a different certificate type.  The bar should be
          uniform across security products, and if anything, should be
          higher for EV instead of lower, like it currently is.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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    Agreed for keeping the same level but I'm not sure what you are
    proposing. The EV process allows for new companies to get a
    certificate following specific validation rules. You and Corey seem
    to suggest that for OV according to 11.1.1(4), there is no way for a
    new company (less than 3 years old) to be allowed to get an OV
    certificate and I'm not sure you would like to see that for EV
    Certificates or expect to see the EV process being applied for OV
    applicants. Can you please clarify? It's quite possible I have
    misunderstood your position so please forgive me if this was far
    from what you intended to convey.<br>
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    Dimitris.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                (HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a> <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 28, 2021 2:10 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>; Corey Bonnell
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com"><Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com></a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] New companies and EV
                Code Signing<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I see. I
            probably misunderstood the word "individual" to mean a
            person associated with the organization.<br>
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            IMO the requirement for non-EV is poorly written as I don't
            think it was ever the intent of this WG to forbid companies
            that are not 3 years old to obtain an OV Code Signing
            Certificate. If this was the intent and you can point me to
            minutes or any public discussion, we can certainly take a
            deeper look.<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 27/7/2021 8:20 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I think what Corey is trying to point
              out is that EVG 11.6 is weaker than the OV CSBR
              requirement, so it in itself does not cover the EVCS gap
              we identified.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dimitris
                    Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a
                      href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:35 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Corey Bonnell <a
                      href="mailto:Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com></a>;
                    <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>;
                    Tim Hollebeek <a
                      href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] New companies and
                    EV Code Signing<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 27/7/2021 1:13 π.μ., Corey
                  Bonnell wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dimitris,<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps I’m missing some context,
                  but any of the four verification options set forth in
                  EVG 11.6.2 will satisfy 11.6 (and in turn, CSBR
                  11.2.7). Several of the verification options listed in
                  that section do not provide the level of assurance
                  that the CSBRs prescribe for individuals in section
                  11.1.2.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">With this in mind, I believe that
                  harmonizing the individual vetting for new
                  organizations requirement for OVCS with EVCS is a
                  useful improvement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                Certainly, but that's not the topic we were discussing
                with Tim, which was around the "3 years of existence"
                requirement for an organization to be validated.<br>
                <br>
                Dimitris.<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Corey<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Cscwg-public <a
                        href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                      (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 24, 2021 4:13 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <a
                        href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>;
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] New companies
                      and EV Code Signing<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 22/7/2021 7:11 μ.μ., Tim
                    Hollebeek via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I’m hearing from our code signing
                    validation people that 11.1.1, which refers to
                    non-EV CS certificates, has a requirement for
                    additional validation for companies less than three
                    years old (we’ve discussed this recently), but this
                    requirement is missing for EV code signing
                    certificates.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Is that what we want?  It seems
                    very odd that a higher level of validation has fewer
                    requirements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  Hi Tim,<br>
                  <br>
                  For EV CS certificates there is a direct reference to
                  the EV Guidelines. Specifically, 11.2.7 of the CSBRs
                  point to EVG 11.6.<br>
                  <br>
                  EVG 11.6.2 includes language for companies less than
                  three years old. I recall bringing this up in one of
                  the previous calls where it was pointed out that it's
                  not necessary for a company to be less than 3 years
                  old if the other verification methods described in
                  11.6.2 are used.<br>
                  <br>
                  Hope this helps.<br>
                  <br>
                  Dimitris.<br>
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